I spent the last 5 days at my grandmother's, where my aunt also lives. Aside from the incredible time I had there, activities-wise, Portugal's Republic Proclamation Day (October 5th) also managed to sneak in. Republic this and that, and Democracy this and that. It made me wonder, and from that wondering arose series of ideas to which I, while not adhering to, believe are important enough to be raised, and discussed.
I'll start by saying I am a democrat. I believe in unconditional equality and in liberty, and I am not trying to convey any sort of bigoted view or propaganda - I wish merely to debate the following, in whatever length it takes to clarify it. Modern democracies are not "pure". Most people firmly believe that the ideal form of government would be a direct democracy where all citizens would express their opinions on any given subject, and those same opinions would have an effect in any final legislation. These are not used because it would simply not be feasible to consult the entire population of a given country because the costs would be astronomical, and the decisions would be too slow to have a practical effect.
Instead, we use representative democracies: populations vote for Parties who, after being voted in, act in the name of the population (whether in the name of the entire population or just in the name of those who voted for them is debatable, but let's leave it at that), legislating with better or worse results, and often against the wishes of the majority of the population - their justification?: it is the best for the country. Well, they were voted in, the only thing that can be done is to wait for their term's end, and after it, to vote someone else in their stead. So far so good.
However, therein lies the key of my entire "point" (if I even have one beyond these ramblings): if direct democracies aren't used because of "astronomical costs" and "impossibly slow decisions", then isn't the whole Democracy concept being compromised in that name? If we were so keen on having a People-ruled country, aren't we purposely treading the wrong path for money's sake? In other words: we are being either blind or hypocrite when we claim to hold Democracy in such at such lofty heights if we are willing to sacrifice it in the name of something else - in conclusions, Democracy is not an end in itself.
What can be gathered from all this? I do not know for sure. However, I will make a risky (and controversial; a potential slippery slope fallacy) statement, and dare to claim that the conclusion that can be reached is "Democracy is not an end in itself". Having this finally stated, we can topple down more... dangerous paths, which we should, if only in an hypothetical and thought-provoking mood: if Democracy is not an end in itself, then what makes it so praise-worthy? Perhaps the fact that after all is said and done, there is still an universal ability to hold positions of power - everyone is able to rise, everyone is able to mould a determined project, provided that this "someone" is a) skilled enough in the tasks they propose themselves and b) hold a general level of acceptance from the population they seek to govern. But why is Democracy the only path to this? It is not. The mere suggestion of a different System of Government that follows these rules and is not Democracy (or at least is not a "Modern Democracy") easily makes me think of other, possibly still-nameless systems: what about a system where there are actual applications for the Chairs of Health/Defence/Education/etc (this would ensure that whoever would end up being the Minister would necessarily be good at what they'd do), and the population be given the power to call out a referendum if/when they believe that the best course of action would not be taken? This would likewise ensure that whoever is elected is a) skilled enough in the tasks they propose themselves and b) hold a general level of acceptance from the population they seek to govern. Others certainly exist. However, the final question, or polemic, or controversy I was seeking to reach is as simple as this:
After all this, are Modern Democracies still as good as we make them (and I am thus missing some point), or is there some Reformation to be done?
- Miguel
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b) I so totally agree
About reformation, we need to get back to exchange and get rid or money. That's like, the only solution. Because money -today- is at some not-so-extreme cases treated as an end to itself. Everyone wants money. Money is what pays your hospitals, what can give you better education, food, insurances etc etc. However, there are people like B.G. who -I am almost sure- released problematic versions of the Windows having knowledge of the issues (maybe not all of them, but maybe some), with the plan ahead of releasing a new version, which would be partly compatible with the previous, and hence everyone who bought the previous version would have to buy the next one as well and so on and so on. Now, he has like, 44 billioni dollars. To demonstrate how large this amount is, with 1 billion dollars, you and at least 5 generations after you can live spending 100,000 a month for every single month of their lives. 100,000 is like, twice the average income in most countries. Which means, he wouldn't be able to spend all his money even if he wanted to. He does give most of his money to the Gates Foundation (about third-world countries etc), but that's just recently, and windows exist since 1985.
Anyway, what did I want to say? Oh yeah, money should be destroyed, and we should get back to exchanging.
Problem is, I wouldn't be able to buy a CD from amazon.com by sending them 2 kg of extra virgin oil.
Maybe the problem lies within education. In my humble opinion, politics nowadays are treated as some kind of "business" where a party wants to be elected so they will have a chance to make as much money as they can, and do as much as is necessary so they will stay on top for the next four years. Practically nobody actually gets up in order to do something useful for the community, because there is money in the middle. Maybe politics shouldn't involve THAT huge amounts of money, and maybe everything should be checked by an organisation above, like the EU or the UN (EUN?).
Then again, there never was "pure" democracy in the world, because in ancient greece "democracy" included slaves (and women who didn't vote).
But it was close
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A direct democracy wouldn't cost anymore to execute than what the politicians spend on getting themselves elected in the first place. However, I doubt all those rich bastards are going to invest in something that they cannot control.
P.S. Would you care to enlighten me as to what the Republic Proclamation Day is?
lets hope there is someone out there who can reform democracy into something worth while because now 1)money holds too much power and 2) people don't care about voting, politics, or anything really. well at least the young people don't.
but what is there for them to believe? the candidates are never different enough to make a real decision and they are both stupid politicians, so what difference does it make?
of course there are minor differences, i mean would you rather have someone you know is not going to act in the country's best interests, or would you rather have someone who's not be able to make any decisions?
poiltics is mud. soul-sucking, mind-numbing mud. it pollutes the open-minded into playing stupid games in order to move up and losing the vision along the way.
ok enough rambling.
i agree, 'modern democracy' needs to be reformed i just hope someone can before it's too late.
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Portugal's Republic Proclamation day is on the 5th of October, and it was the day (05/10/1910) when King Manuel II was deposed and the First Republic was proclaimed
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<Spiff-Johnson> Miguel wouldn't high five anyone in real life.
<Spiff-Johnson> He would just tighten his scarf and look at you with contempt.
The whole point of my "rant" was that our decision to not pay those aforementioned costs proves that we, as civilization, are "smart enough" to understand that there the practical functioning of a country is prioritary - prioritary to a population-wide ruling; thus, if we get rid of the misconception that a country needs to get as close to a "power of the people" notion as possible (because if we still do believe that, we'd be being hypocrites, since the real "power of the people" system would be direct democracies), we would certainly understand that there are more efficient systems of government that, still being kept in check by the population (an example of that was my above example of referendums), could work in a more efficient way.
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<Spiff-Johnson> Miguel wouldn't high five anyone in real life.
<Spiff-Johnson> He would just tighten his scarf and look at you with contempt.
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<Spiff-Johnson> Miguel wouldn't high five anyone in real life.
<Spiff-Johnson> He would just tighten his scarf and look at you with contempt.
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<Spiff-Johnson> Miguel wouldn't high five anyone in real life.
<Spiff-Johnson> He would just tighten his scarf and look at you with contempt.
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